Wyse WY60 GUI Terminal Emulator

[e***@gmail.com]

Hello! I am looking for a cheap Terminal Emulator to emulate a WY60 terminal. Are there any other good recommendations besides ZOC, PowerTerm, Anzio Lite?

[Grant Taylor]

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Hello! I am looking for a cheap Terminal Emulator to emulate a WY60
terminal. Are there any other good recommendations besides ZOC,
PowerTerm, Anzio Lite?

What features does the WY60 have that XTerm doesn't support?

[William Unruh]

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by e***@gmail.com
Hello! I am looking for a cheap Terminal Emulator to emulate a WY60
terminal. Are there any other good recommendations besides ZOC,
PowerTerm, Anzio Lite?

What features does the WY60 have that XTerm doesn't support?

It had a crude dot matrix display.

[e***@gmail.com]

Post by William Unruh

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by e***@gmail.com
Hello! I am looking for a cheap Terminal Emulator to emulate a WY60
terminal. Are there any other good recommendations besides ZOC,
PowerTerm, Anzio Lite?

What features does the WY60 have that XTerm doesn't support?

It had a crude dot matrix display.

Does XTerm support keyboard mapping and color capabilities?
The objective is to emulate the terminal to a VGA output from an RS-232

[William Unruh]

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Post by William Unruh

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by e***@gmail.com
Hello! I am looking for a cheap Terminal Emulator to emulate a WY60
terminal. Are there any other good recommendations besides ZOC,
PowerTerm, Anzio Lite?

What features does the WY60 have that XTerm doesn't support?

It had a crude dot matrix display.

Does XTerm support keyboard mapping and color capabilities?
The objective is to emulate the terminal to a VGA output from an RS-232

I am not at all clear what that second sentence means.
Yes, Linux supprts keyboard mapping (mapping of what? -- do you want "a"
to actually put out a q for example? Or just some special keys.
And what doees "emulate the terminal to a VGa output from an RS232"
mean? Perhaps you might want to be a bit more expansive as to what you
want and why you want it.

[Grant Taylor]

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Does XTerm support keyboard mapping and color capabilities?

Yes, XTerm supports color. I've recently been doing 256 color SIXEL
graphics in XTerm.

"Keyboard mapping" is a little vague. Yes, you can re-map keys or
combinations of keys to do things. Please be more specific and / or
provide an example of what "keyboard mapping" means to you.

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The objective is to emulate the terminal to a VGA output from an RS-232

Well, XTerm is a terminal emulator for X11. (It probably works on other
things too, but I'm not sure.)

You would run a serial communications package to get it's I/O via the
serial port and then render in the terminal emulator. minicom, cu,
screen, kermit, and many other things can do this.

[e***@gmail.com]

Post by Grant Taylor

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Does XTerm support keyboard mapping and color capabilities?

Yes, XTerm supports color. I've recently been doing 256 color SIXEL
graphics in XTerm.
"Keyboard mapping" is a little vague. Yes, you can re-map keys or
combinations of keys to do things. Please be more specific and / or
provide an example of what "keyboard mapping" means to you.

Post by e***@gmail.com
The objective is to emulate the terminal to a VGA output from an RS-232

Well, XTerm is a terminal emulator for X11. (It probably works on other
things too, but I'm not sure.)
You would run a serial communications package to get it's I/O via the
serial port and then render in the terminal emulator. minicom, cu,
screen, kermit, and many other things can do this.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Thanks for the replies, William & Grant.
The objective is to re-map the keys (from Q to an A)

The WY60 terminal itself uses a monochrome monitor. The terminal emulator will need to be able to change the color of some texts within the terminal.

There will be an external Windows 10 PC which will run the terminal emulator software and will be connected to the WY60 terminal via USB-to-RS232 cable or an RJ45.

The final goal is to emulate the WY60 terminal using an external PC and project the display to a colored LCD Monitor.

[Grant Taylor]

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Thanks for the replies, William & Grant.

:-)

Post by e***@gmail.com
The objective is to re-map the keys (from Q to an A)

Okay.

I'm ignorant of why someone would want to do that. But I bet that XTerm
can do it.

Check XTerm's man page for details.

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The WY60 terminal itself uses a monochrome monitor.

Okay.

Post by e***@gmail.com
The terminal emulator will need to be able to change the color of
some texts within the terminal.

Please elaborate what sort of color change would be needed.

I know that the standard VGA colors show up differently on a color
monitor than a black and white monitor. In such as the colors, 0-15,
show up as grey and that the color to black and white mapping isn't in
in sequence from the black to white.

I know that you can easily redefine the RGB value for the colors in
XTerm (per window profile if you want) to be anything you'd like. So
you can tweak the RGB values for each color such that 0 was black, 15
was bright white, and everything in between scaled as desired.

I'm betting that you can probably achieve what you want.

X11 and XTerm are a bit odd / esoteric in how this is done. I'm happy
to help if / when you want to set this up.

You can even make one XTerm (profile) be the black and white (grey
scale) and a different XTerm (profile) be default colors or something else.

Post by e***@gmail.com
There will be an external Windows 10 PC which will run the terminal
emulator software and will be connected to the WY60 terminal via
USB-to-RS232 cable or an RJ45.

Why is Windows running the terminal emulation software? I thought you
were wanting to do this on Linux. (This is comp.os.linux.networking. ;-)

Or do you mean that the Windows PC is running the program producing the
data that will appear on the (emulated) WY60 terminal?

Post by e***@gmail.com
The final goal is to emulate the WY60 terminal using an external PC
and project the display to a colored LCD Monitor.

Okay.

[e***@gmail.com]

Post by Grant Taylor

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Thanks for the replies, William & Grant.

:-)

Post by e***@gmail.com
The objective is to re-map the keys (from Q to an A)

Okay.
I'm ignorant of why someone would want to do that. But I bet that XTerm
can do it.
Check XTerm's man page for details.

Post by e***@gmail.com
The WY60 terminal itself uses a monochrome monitor.

Okay.

Post by e***@gmail.com
The terminal emulator will need to be able to change the color of
some texts within the terminal.

Please elaborate what sort of color change would be needed.
I know that the standard VGA colors show up differently on a color
monitor than a black and white monitor. In such as the colors, 0-15,
show up as grey and that the color to black and white mapping isn't in
in sequence from the black to white.
I know that you can easily redefine the RGB value for the colors in
XTerm (per window profile if you want) to be anything you'd like. So
you can tweak the RGB values for each color such that 0 was black, 15
was bright white, and everything in between scaled as desired.
I'm betting that you can probably achieve what you want.
X11 and XTerm are a bit odd / esoteric in how this is done. I'm happy
to help if / when you want to set this up.
You can even make one XTerm (profile) be the black and white (grey
scale) and a different XTerm (profile) be default colors or something else.

Post by e***@gmail.com
There will be an external Windows 10 PC which will run the terminal
emulator software and will be connected to the WY60 terminal via
USB-to-RS232 cable or an RJ45.

Why is Windows running the terminal emulation software? I thought you
were wanting to do this on Linux. (This is comp.os.linux.networking. ;-)
Or do you mean that the Windows PC is running the program producing the
data that will appear on the (emulated) WY60 terminal?

Post by e***@gmail.com
The final goal is to emulate the WY60 terminal using an external PC
and project the display to a colored LCD Monitor.

Okay.
--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Hello there Grant! Sorry for the late reply!

I just installed XTerm on my Ubuntu machine (VMWare).
Would you kindly walk me through about how changing the colors and the command on how to set the comm port for Xterm to emulate the WY60 machine.

Thanks for the help!

-Ed

[Grant Taylor]

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Hello there Grant!

Hi,

Post by e***@gmail.com
Sorry for the late reply!

Nonsense. This is Usenet. Usenet, and email, is inherently at the
readers convenience. Messages are waiting for when it's convenient for
you as the reader to read and optionally respond to them.

You replied within a day. So I don't think anyone has any room to complain.

Post by e***@gmail.com
I just installed XTerm on my Ubuntu machine (VMWare).

Okay.

Post by e***@gmail.com
Would you kindly walk me through about how changing the colors and
the command on how to set the comm port for Xterm to emulate the
WY60 machine.

Sure.

Do you want to change the XTerm default colors? Or do you want to set
up another ""profile (imprecise description, but it works) so that you
can use your custom colors for the specific application and default for
a different application?

XTerm itself does not support the serial port. You will run something
like minicom or cu or screen inside XTerm and those programs will talk
to the serial port.

What serial port are you working with?

I think you mentioned a USB-to-Serial adapter. That will probably show
up as /dev/ttyUSB0 or something similar.

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Thanks for the help!

You're welcome.

[Aragorn]

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by e***@gmail.com
Thanks for the replies, William & Grant.

:-)

Post by e***@gmail.com
The objective is to re-map the keys (from Q to an A)

Okay.
I'm ignorant of why someone would want to do that.

Because not all countries use a QWERTY keyboard layout, perhaps? I'm
in Belgium and we have AZERTY keybords. So do the French — which is
why Belgium has adopted it [*] — but there are a few small
differences between the Belgian and French keyboard layouts. Germans
on the other hand use QWERTZ keyboards.


[*] This dates back to the world of typewriters, and the fact that
even though 55% of the Belgian population speaks (a dialectic form
of) Dutch, with 40% of the population speaking French and 5%
speaking German, Belgium was officially an exclusively francophone
country up until 1960. Only after 1960 were Dutch and German
recognized as official languages, and it took a lot of "social
unrest" to get us there.

[Grant Taylor]

Post by Aragorn
Because not all countries use a QWERTY keyboard layout, perhaps?

I would expect such users to have a keyboard that is their native layout
and / or using a system wide profile to specify their preferred keyboard
layout.

Using such means that things like XTerm (almost all programs) will
inherit the users preferred keyboard layout. As such, I still don't
understand the need to alter keys from the users preferred layout to
something else.

Post by Aragorn
I'm in Belgium and we have AZERTY keybords. So do the French —
which is why Belgium has adopted it [*] — but there are a few
small differences between the Belgian and French keyboard layouts.
Germans on the other hand use QWERTZ keyboards.

I'm ignorant of what the differences are. But I'm not at all surprised
that there are differences. I would actually expect that there are
differences.

I would also expect that a very large portion of those preferences are
accounted for by the physical keyboard that's used and / or system wide
preferences for the keyboard layout.

So, given the presumption that your keyboard places the Q and A keys
appropriately for your language / region of the world, why would you
want to trade the Q and A keys? (Substitute any other keys for the sake
of discussion.)

I'm sure there are reasons, I just don't know what they are. It could
be something as simple as "Because I want to!".

[Aragorn]

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by Aragorn
Because not all countries use a QWERTY keyboard layout, perhaps?

I would expect such users to have a keyboard that is their native
layout and / or using a system wide profile to specify their
preferred keyboard layout.
Using such means that things like XTerm (almost all programs) will
inherit the users preferred keyboard layout. As such, I still don't
understand the need to alter keys from the users preferred layout to
something else.
[...]
I'm sure there are reasons, I just don't know what they are. It
could be something as simple as "Because I want to!".

Well — cynical hat on — say that you are in a country that uses a
particular keyboard layout A, and you want to remotely log in to a
compromised machine in a country that natively uses a different
keyboard layout B, but you don't know how to invoke a different
keyboard layout in UNIX, or you are afraid that if you do so, you will
be caught by the legitimate owner of the account you are illegitimately
logging into...

Hey, this is Usenet, and I've seen people ask about the weirdest things
here, some of which were undoubtedly unethical. Or homework
assignments. I've even seen a guy asking help on downloading porn,
thereby including explicit links in his posts to the pornographic
images he wanted. Some people are apparently not familiar with the
concept of embarrassment.

The OP is not visible in my news feed, suggesting that they are posting
through Google Groups, which I am filtering out. The fact that they
identify with a GMail address — as gleaned from your replies to them —
rather than with a proper name also suggests that this would be the
case.

Fact is that we never know whom or what we're dealing with on Usenet,
and least of all when they are Google Groups users. And this one
simply smells fishy to me. :|

[Grant Taylor]

Post by Aragorn
Well — cynical hat on — say that you are in a country that uses
a particular keyboard layout A, and you want to remotely log in to
a compromised machine in a country that natively uses a different
keyboard layout B, but you don't know how to invoke a different
keyboard layout in UNIX, or you are afraid that if you do so, you will
be caught by the legitimate owner of the account you are illegitimately
logging into...

Um.... I thought that all remote connections, especially textual
connections, didn't actually care where the keys were. If you type an
"A" on your keyboard, wherever it is, an "A" should come out on the
other end.

None of the systems that I administer at work care that I use a QWERTY
keyboard layout and that my co-administrator uses a Dvorak keyboard
layout. The systems that we administer just see the commands that we
type, "ifconfig", "route", "ls", "cd", etc.

I would /expect/ that other keyboard layouts work the same way.

Post by Aragorn
Hey, this is Usenet, and I've seen people ask about the weirdest
things here, some of which were undoubtedly unethical.

Yep.

Post by Aragorn
Or homework assignments.

I'm okay with people asking for /help/ understanding their homework. I
am opposed to people asking others to do the poster's homework.

Post by Aragorn
I've even seen a guy asking help on downloading porn, thereby including
explicit links in his posts to the pornographic images he wanted. Some
people are apparently not familiar with the concept of embarrassment.

Was he really asking? Or was it a ruse to distribute links to porn? ;-)

Post by Aragorn
The OP is not visible in my news feed, suggesting that they are posting
through Google Groups, which I am filtering out. The fact that they
identify with a GMail address — as gleaned from your replies to them
— rather than with a proper name also suggests that this would be
the case.

Yep, the OP is from Google Groups.

Path: …!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail

I've read comments that posting based on the From: address is not
reliable. Primarily because someone can post using a Gmail address to
any server. But only Google Groups will have googlegroups.com as the
posting host in the Path: header.

Post by Aragorn
Fact is that we never know whom or what we're dealing with on Usenet,
and least of all when they are Google Groups users.

True.

Post by Aragorn
And this one simply smells fishy to me. :|

I don't see anything unusual about this thread.

[William Unruh]

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by Aragorn
Well — cynical hat on — say that you are in a country that uses
a particular keyboard layout A, and you want to remotely log in to
a compromised machine in a country that natively uses a different
keyboard layout B, but you don't know how to invoke a different
keyboard layout in UNIX, or you are afraid that if you do so, you will
be caught by the legitimate owner of the account you are illegitimately
logging into...

Um.... I thought that all remote connections, especially textual
connections, didn't actually care where the keys were. If you type an
"A" on your keyboard, wherever it is, an "A" should come out on the
other end.

No. The keyboard simply sends a key position to the computer. The
computer than interprets that as a character. That key table is
alterable. There are a bunch of standards as to what key numbers are
sent which is why you are asked when you install any distro what
keyboard you are using (eg US International, or Mongolian or whatever).

Post by Grant Taylor
None of the systems that I administer at work care that I use a QWERTY
keyboard layout and that my co-administrator uses a Dvorak keyboard
layout. The systems that we administer just see the commands that we
type, "ifconfig", "route", "ls", "cd", etc.

Yes, after the system has assigned the key numbers to the letters.

Post by Grant Taylor
I would /expect/ that other keyboard layouts work the same way.

Post by Aragorn
Hey, this is Usenet, and I've seen people ask about the weirdest
things here, some of which were undoubtedly unethical.

Yep.

Post by Aragorn
Or homework assignments.

I'm okay with people asking for /help/ understanding their homework. I
am opposed to people asking others to do the poster's homework.

Post by Aragorn
I've even seen a guy asking help on downloading porn, thereby including
explicit links in his posts to the pornographic images he wanted. Some
people are apparently not familiar with the concept of embarrassment.

Was he really asking? Or was it a ruse to distribute links to porn? ;-)

Post by Aragorn
The OP is not visible in my news feed, suggesting that they are posting
through Google Groups, which I am filtering out. The fact that they
identify with a GMail address — as gleaned from your replies to them
— rather than with a proper name also suggests that this would be
the case.

Yep, the OP is from Google Groups.
Path: …!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
I've read comments that posting based on the From: address is not
reliable. Primarily because someone can post using a Gmail address to
any server. But only Google Groups will have googlegroups.com as the
posting host in the Path: header.

Post by Aragorn
Fact is that we never know whom or what we're dealing with on Usenet,
and least of all when they are Google Groups users.

True.

Post by Aragorn
And this one simply smells fishy to me. :|

I don't see anything unusual about this thread.

He has after number tries, refused to say what he is trying to do, and
why in the world he would want to emulate a 40 year old
keyboard/terminal/..., and then he wants one of us to do all of the work
for him. I also find it somewhat fishy.

[Scott Hemphill]

Post by Aragorn

Post by Grant Taylor

Post by e***@gmail.com
Thanks for the replies, William & Grant.

:-)

Post by e***@gmail.com
The objective is to re-map the keys (from Q to an A)

Okay.
I'm ignorant of why someone would want to do that.

Because not all countries use a QWERTY keyboard layout, perhaps? I'm
in Belgium and we have AZERTY keybords. So do the French — which is
why Belgium has adopted it [*] — but there are a few small
differences between the Belgian and French keyboard layouts. Germans
on the other hand use QWERTZ keyboards.

I haven't followed the whole thread, but I would expect distributions to
have a keyboard choice during installation.

For after-the-fact modifications, I use setxkbmap, which sets the
keyboard for X, not just the terminal window:

setxkbmap -rules xorg -model pc105 -layout "us,se" -option "grp:rwin_toggle" -option "grp_led:scroll"

This allows me to use the right window key to toggle between US and
Swedish layouts, and to see the status in the scroll LED.

Scott

[Grant Taylor]

For after-the-fact modifications, I use setxkbmap, which sets the keyboard
setxkbmap -rules xorg -model pc105 -layout "us,se" -option
"grp:rwin_toggle" -option "grp_led:scroll"
This allows me to use the right window key to toggle between US and
Swedish layouts, and to see the status in the scroll LED.

You can do similar with xmodmap. Here's sample code that switches the
Escape and Caps-Lock key that a lot of Vim users like.

# cat cl-to-esc.xmodmap
! Swap caps lock and escape
remove Lock = Caps_Lock
keysym Escape = Caps_Lock
keysym Caps_Lock = Escape
add Lock = Caps_Lock
# xmodmap cl-to-esc.xmodmap

[Stefan Monnier]

Post by e***@gmail.com
Hello! I am looking for a cheap Terminal Emulator to emulate a WY60
terminal. Are there any other good recommendations besides ZOC, PowerTerm,
Anzio Lite?

And what does this have to do with "linux.networking"?


Stefan